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Paradoxical Reactions With TTFD: The Glutathione Connection

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Some individuals experience negative reactions and the worsening of symptoms when they begin thiamine repletion therapies using the more biologically available formulations like thiamine tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide (TTFD). Dr. Lonsdale calls these paradoxical reactions. In this article, I examine the chemistry beyond these reactions and provide some hypotheses regarding why they happen and how to mitigate them.

TTFD Basics

In order to understand why some individuals react negatively to TTFD supplementation, it is essential to understand the basics behind TTFDs molecular configuration and how it is processed by cells. The primary difference between ordinary thiamine and TTFD is an extra chemical group called a mercaptan group. The mercaptan is derived from allicin, a compound found in garlic, and is connected to the thiamine molecule via a special sulfur-sulfur bond called a disulfide bond. Importantly, it is this unique chemical group that accounts for TTFD’s ability to traverse membranes in the body without the need for a transport system.

Upon ingestion, TTFD is mostly absorbed into the blood from the gastrointestinal tract in whole form as TTFD. As it travels through the blood, it can penetrate the brain and other organs without cellular transporters. One of the main sites of absorption is the red blood cells. Upon penetration of the red blood cell membrane, TTFD must first be processed or “broken apart” before it can release the thiamine contained within its chemical structure. After thiamine is released into the cell, the ancillary mercaptan group must also be processed and/or detoxified through alternative pathways. It is therefore theoretically plausible that errors involved in the processing of TTFD could contribute toward negative side effects or reactions to this nutrient.

How TTFD Is Processed Inside the Cell: The Glutathione Connection

For TTFD to “release” its thiamine, its disulfide bond must gain electrons from another donor molecule. In chemical terms, this process is referred to as reduction. Once this reduction occurs, thiamine is freed and can then go on to participate in cellular biochemical reactions.

Of the few molecules which have been shown to reduce TTFD, glutathione performs this function most effectively. As the cell’s primary antioxidant, glutathione is responsible for donating electrons to neutralize reactive oxygen species, and can either be found in its reduced form or its oxidized form. Once a reduced glutathione molecule (GSH) has donated its electron, it bridges with another to molecule to form oxidized glutathione (GSSG). GSSG is then recycled back to two GSH molecules through accepting electrons from NADPH via the enzyme glutathione reductase (vitamin B2 as FAD dependent). TTFD and Glutathione

When TTFD enters cells, GSH in red blood cells chemically reduces TTFD via a process called “disulfide exchange” (presumably using a protein called glutaredoxin). Reduced glutathione becomes oxidized glutathione and TTFD “releases” thiamine to producing free thiamine inside the cell with an extra TFD mercaptan group left over.

The initial phase of processing TTFD requires that cells have enough reduced glutathione. Furthermore, the more GSH you have – the faster the rate of this reaction. So in simple terms, to obtain thiamine from TTFD the cells “use up” their reduced glutathione.

I recently had correspondence with one individual who only gained tolerance of TTFD after supplementing with 200mcg of selenium in the form of sodium selenite. Selenium supplementation in different forms has been shown to increase red blood cell GSH levels by up to 35%. This is thought to occur due to selenium’s ability increase glutathione synthesis through upregulating the enzyme gamma-glutamylcysteine synthetase. I suspect that poor glutathione status might be one of the reasons for benefit from selenium.

Having enough glutathione is clearly very important, but recycling it is also essential to maintain a pool of glutathione in its reduced form. Unfortunately TTFD can place a burden on this system, and this was demonstrated in one old study from Japan which showed that TTFD administration rapidly lowered red blood cell GSH. Interestingly enough, that same experiment showed that GSH levels were restored within 5-10 minutes. This restoration was accomplished by the vitamin B2 (as FAD)-dependent enzyme glutathione reductase, which donates electrons to GSSG with the reducing power of NADPH to recycle it back to two GSH.

What this basically means is that cells require a robust antioxidant system to properly process TTFD and return back to their original state. First, cells need enough of the antioxidant GSH to cleave thiamine. Second, cells also need to be able to recycle the oxidized glutathione back to its reduced state.

Poor Glutathione Status and Difficulty With TTFD

Immediately, we see two potential issues that could arise from TTFD supplementation which might provide a better understanding of why some people may not tolerate this molecule.

In someone who has poor glutathione (GSH) status, they might theoretically be less able to cleave thiamine from TTFD. There are many reasons why someone may have poor glutathione status:

  • Low precursors (cysteine, glutamate, glycine)
  • Chronic oxidative burden and/or inflammation
  • Deficiencies in the nutrients required to generate, process, or utilize glutathione (B6 or selenium)
Alternatively, an individual may have enough resources to make glutathione, but if they cannot recycle it through the necessary machinery (i.e glutathione reductase), then taking a substance which depletes their GSH (like TTFD) might further contribute towards their oxidative burden.

A total and/or functional riboflavin deficiency is the probably the most common culprit responsible for poor glutathione reductase activity. The glutathione reductase enzyme also requires adequate reducing power from NADPH to drive the enzymatic reaction. NADPH is derived from niacin (vitamin B3) and is generated in the pentose phosphate pathway which, ironically, requires the thiamine-dependent enzyme transketolase.

In the context of poor enzyme activity, without the reducing powder to drive GSSG back to GSH, the oxidized form of glutathione can theoretically drift towards the path of generating a free radical called the glutathione radical. This alone could further contributes to oxidative stress and cell damage.

Below is a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate my point:

  1. An individual suffers from long-term thiamine deficiency and has suboptimal riboflavin status
  2. Thiamine deficiency leads to lower activity of transketolase
  3. Low transketolase activity produces a lack of NADPH
  4. A lack of NADPH and a lack of FAD means that glutathione reductase is unable to efficiently recycle glutathione, which produces an imbalance between reduced/oxidized glutathione.
  5. Intracellular GSH is further lowered by taking high dose TTFD, and there is not enough enzyme activity to recycle it back
  6. Oxidative stress is made worse

In the above scenario, taking a high dose of TTFD may not be appropriate. Rather, restoring NADPH levels through supplementing with ordinary thiamine and supporting the glutathione system via other measures might be advised before starting with TTFD. Optimal riboflavin status is also necessary for the above processes to run smoothly.

Older research in Japan showed that TTFD supplementation could lead to a secondary B2 deficiency through increased urinary excretion. The increased need for glutathione reductase could at least also contribute to this effect. When taking TTFD, it has downstream effects on other nutrients. Hence, these supporting nutrients should also be taken in conjunction when someone is supplementing TTFD in high doses.

Some basic laboratory measurements of glutathione status include:

  • Whole blood glutathione (low)
  • Gamma-glutamyl-transpeptidase (high)
  • Urinary pyroglutamic acid (high)

Furthermore, there are several functional markers which can be measured to assess riboflavin status, including direct measurement of red blood cell glutathione reductase activity:

  • Urinary glutaric acid (high)
  • Whole blood B2
  • Urinary adipic, suberic, ethylmalonic acids (high)
  • Urinary succinic acid (high) can also be suggestive along with a few other organic acids
  • Erythrocyte glutathione reductase activity (low)

To summarize, the initial cellular processing of TTFD requires adequate levels of reduced glutathione. Glutathione becomes oxidized, and so TTFD has can have a depleting effect on GSH and increase the requirement for recycling. If there is insufficient active B2 (as FAD) or NADPH levels, glutathione is not likely to be recycled sufficiently and may lead to GSSG radical formation.

It is therefore possible that the glutathione-depleting effect of TTFD could be responsible for some of the side effects associated with supplementation. This is probably most applicable in individuals with poor glutathione recycling and underlying oxidative stress. Therefore, nutrient therapies that may support this initial phase of TTFD metabolism include:

  • Selenium (improve GSH levels)
  • Riboflavin (improve GSSG-GSH recycling)
  • Niacin (increase NADPH)
  • Ordinary thiamine (increase NAPH via PPP)
  • NAC, glycine and/or glutathione TAKEN HOURS AWAY from TTFD (GSH precursors)

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This article was published originally on October 26, 2020. 

Finasteride, SIBO, and Metabolic Disruption

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I am 26 years old and living in Switzerland. I work in marketing. I currently weigh only 62kg (136lbs) even though I am 184 cm (6 ft) tall. Two years ago, I developed a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO) infection suddenly after taking 20g of a probiotic called Perfect Pass Prebiotic. It contains partially hydrolyzed guar gum. I was also taking two lactobacillus probiotics per day during during the two months leading up to the SIBO. For the SIBO, I was treated with Atrantil and Xifaxan 4 times per day for two weeks. Antratil is an herb combination used to treat SIBO and Xifaxan (rifaximin) is a broad spectrum antibiotic. After these treatments, I developed an overgrowth of bilophilia and desulfurio bacteria. This has led to a severe sulfur intolerance. I have not found any treatment for this yet. Before developing SIBO, I used antihistamine (desloratadine, 5mg every day for two years) and Finacapil (finasteride) for the last 8 years, but I stopped taking it four months ago.

Since developing the SIBO, I have developed several food sensitivities including: oxalate, salicylate, and sulfur and histamine intolerances. I have lost 5kgs. I have also developed very high ammonia. That is my biggest issue. I had blood tests to confirm the high ammonia. It seems that I can only eat five foods without triggering a reaction: rice, chicken, carrots, fennel, and gluten free bread. When I eat anything else, I have almost all the symptoms possible. Before developing SIBO, I could eat anything. My diet was diverse and healthy.

Genetic Polymorphisms

I have since learned that I have several genetic polymorphisms which either upregulate or downregulate the activity of several enzymes involved in energy production and antioxidant processes. I have a fast cystathionine beta-synthase (CBS) enzyme, which may be at the root of my current problems. The CBS enzyme uses vitamin B6 to convert the amino acids homocysteine and serine into something called cystathionine, which then converts to cysteine and glutathione, a critical antioxidant pathway. Individuals with high CBS activity, end up with high levels of taurine and ammonia and lower levels of cystathionine and homocysteine, and importantly, lower levels of glutathione, making them more apt to suffer from infections and reactions to foods and medications. CBS upregulation also upsets the urea cycle, which means that I have problems with methylation.

If that were not bad enough, I have learned that I also have several SNPs that impact metabolism.

  • FUT2 +/+
  • GAD1 (2) +/- (1) +/+
  • HFE H63D +/+
  • MAT1A +/+
  • CBS C699T +/-
  • MTRR K350A +/-
  • NOS3 (3) +/-
  • PEMT (2) +/-
  • BCMO1 (4) +/-
  • AGXT +/-
  • MTHFR +/+
  • BHMT+/+

I have low homocysteine in blood, low lactic acid, high histamine, high bilirubin.

Nutrient Deficiencies

Nutrient testing shows that I have very low blood ceruloplasmin and copper but normal intracellular copper.  Testing showed that I am also low in vitamins A, C, K2, manganese, selenium, magnesium, and low in vitamins B2, B3, B5, B9, and B12. Because I also have gastritis, sulfate reducing bacteria overgrowth and high ammonia, issues with sulphur, oxalates and salicylates etc., I don’t tolerate most oral supplements or things like natural vitamin C or beef liver. I also can’t tolerate methyl and sulfur vitamins and minerals.

I found a solution with IV multivitamin and mineral but it contained glycine and way too much chromium and iron and because of my hemochromatosis, it probably depleted my manganese, folate, etc. My manganese and folate concentrations are very low in blood. The IV was helping me a lot first but the ammonia issue began to be way too high and as did the blood chromium, so I stopped. The IV had all the vitamins and minerals, plus glycine and phosphatidylcholine.

I had an ADK supplement with 5000UI Vitamin A, 5000UI Vitamin D, and 600mg Vitamin K2, MK7 synthetic and it was helping a lot with the ammonia but gave me bad oxalate burning bladder. Manganese helped a lot, but since I don’t have enough vitamin C, my CYP7A1 enzyme, which manganese triggers, is not working well. The CYP7A1 enzyme converts cholesterol into bile acid. As a result of the manganese supplement, I developed cholestasis, but when I take vitamin C, which is the missing piece here, I get oxalate issues. It seems that I cannot win. The manganese may cause a loss of choline or glycine but both contain ammonia and sulfur, so I can’t take it.

I did tolerate the vitamin C in the IV mix, though. It could have been because it came with the other B vitamins. This leads me to believe that perhaps I can tolerate transdermal vitamins or another formulation of the IV nutrients.

I know that I need thiamine (vitamin B1) but I have normal TPP in blood and when I tried to take it in HCL, mononitrate, TPP even at 1 mg, it gave me the sulfur issue and high ammonia. More recently, I had an organic acid test (OAT). It showed that I have low vitamin B6 in urine test, but it was high in the blood, I have very high inorganic phosphate in blood, normal magnesium in blood but low intracellular magnesium. Both probably are caused by too much iron. I really need vitamin C, but because of oxalate issue I cannot take it, and if I take vitamin B6, it will further upregulate my CBS and produce more sulfite, sulfate, ammonia, and hydrogen sulfide.

I should note that I always have gallbladder pain, and flow issue, and I can’t digest fat, but all gallbladder supplements that contain sulfur give me issues. So I don’t know how to take manganese without cholestasis, vitamin c without oxalate issue and B1 without sulfur issue and folinic acid without glutamate issue. I have run out of idea to cure myself. If anyone can help, it would be great!

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